Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbildern

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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 27.09.2023 21:11

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Ehemals S. 7:
Vielen Dank, auch für die sehr interessante Quelle.
Ja, das ist ein Kurbelbohrer mit in Netzen angehängten Gewichten und unterem gegabeltem Ende zur Aufnahme von Bohrköpfen aus Stein - wie sie auch in der von Dir genannten Quelle und bei [Stocks, 2013] thematisiert werden. An einen solchen Kurbelbohrer ließen sich theoretisch und praktisch aber auch Kupferröhren arretieren, womit er zum Hohlbohrer werden würde.

Sofern ich mich gerade erinnerungsgemäß nicht irre geht Stocks von "Schwunggewichten" aus (vielleicht verwechsle ich den Zusammenhang gerade aber auch mit der von Stocks besprochenen Seilherstellung der alten Ägypter). Der Nutzen dieser Gewichte als fixer Aufdruckkraft ist jedoch unbestreitbar (wahrscheinlich ist von einer Kombi der Effekte auszugehen).

Interessant im Hinblick auf scheibenförmige bzw. trommelförmige Gewichte o.ä. wäre m.E. in Versuchen noch zu erörtern, ob oberhalb oder unterhalb eines Bohrerschafts positionierte Gewichte für bestimmte Einsatzzwecke effektiver sind.

Ich habe zu dieser Art von Bohrgeräten auch noch eine andere Theorie entwickelt (die nicht neu sein muss, dazu habe ich bisher jedoch in Quellen nichts gefunden):
Die Astgabelung solcher Bohrer diente nach meiner Theorie alternativ auch dazu, ein innen (ggf. nur ansatzweise) ausgehöhltes Gefäß aufzuklemmen, um es mit rotierender Bewegung außen in einem entsprechend präparierten Untergrund bzw. einer entsprechenden Aufnahme zu beschleifen (siehe meine Versuche, den auf einen Kurbelbohrerschaft aufgeklemmten Gefäßrohling in einem engen Gefäß in Quarzsand rotierend zu beschleifen).
Wenn ich mich nicht irre gibt es eine altägyptische Hieroglyphe die so aussieht, als würde ein Kurbelbohrer ins Erdreich reichen (horizontaler Strich in der Hieroglyphe im Bereich der Gabelung).
Technisch wäre das beschriebene Prozedere erfahrungsgemäß möglich und Vorversuche zum Thema hatte ich mir bereits seit längerem vorgenommen. Außerdem wäre es auch für Aushöhlarbeiten von steinernen Gefäßen zweckmäßig, anzunehmen dass die alten Ägypter die Gefäße hierfür im Erdreich einbuddelten und damit für die Beschleifung fixierten.
Es gibt auch direkte moderne ägyptische Vorbilder für in etwa affine Herangehensweisen (Nachweise zu dieser Aussage wären von mir noch rauszusuchen).

QUELLEN:
(folgen)

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The documentation of the previous series of preliminary tests and my intention to sign aesthetically (and to meet my requirements) and date the small stone vase with a lid made of Baumberger sandlimestone, which was made in the last few weeks, in a way that is also interesting for me from an artistic and experimental archeological point of view due to the past heat wave, due to missing equipment that still has to be organized and due to handicraft skills that still have to be developed (chasing), took more time than originally planned.
Since I want and have to use the summer for "outdoor work", I am therefore postponing the signing and dating work as well as the surveying work on the little vase with a lid made of Baumberger sand-lime brick (probably) to the coming autumn and winter (but possibly also to an earlier possible date). ).

In the last few weeks I have started another series of preliminary tests at the same time. This series of preliminary tests is about my intention one day - if possible due to the overall conditions - to reconstruct the so-called Sabu disc.
Often referred to as an "Out Of Place Artifact" (OOP Artifact), the Sabu Disk is an ancient Egyptian work piece with very special characteristics. In particular, the thin-walled and filigree nature of the Sabu disc is a major challenge with regard to the processing options for soft stone (but of course nothing generally impossible for a suitably qualified or experienced craftsman, otherwise the Sabu disc would not exist).

For the reasons mentioned, I will therefore make this series of topics a little more dynamic and first devote myself to the preliminary test on the subject of the one day planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc and insert interim thrusts on the previous series of preliminary tests (small vase with a lid made of Baumberger sandlimestone) as soon as there is news on this.

In the series of preliminary tests that have started, I am initially not concerned with the planned production of a copy of the Sabu disc that is as true to the original as possible (scaled down) but with a general testing of the possibilities of "turning off" structures that are as filigree as possible in the style of the Sabu disc on a workpiece made of soft stone that is attached to a two-point bearing axle " to produce.

QUELLEN / Sources:
Bibliografische Angaben für „Sabu-Scheibe“
Seitentitel: Sabu-Scheibe
Herausgeber: Wikipedia – Die freie Enzyklopädie.
Autor(en): Wikipedia-Autoren, siehe Versionsgeschichte
Datum der letzten Bearbeitung: 1. März 2023, 00:38 UTC
Versions-ID der Seite: 231356332
Permanentlink: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =231356332
Datum des Abrufs: 6. Juli 2023, 17:33 UTC


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Vorbereiteter Rohling für Vorversuch zur Rekonstruktion der Sabuscheibe.
Bildrechte: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG:

A blank made from Baumberger sandlimestone for the planned series of preliminary tests for the one day planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc.

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Preliminary test for the planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc: Production of an approximation model from Baumberger sandlimestone

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Preliminary test for the planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc: Production of an approximation model from Baumberger sand-lime brick

[Addendum from 07/23/2023:]
Since the effort of the preliminary test to prepare the reconstruction of the Sabu disc would be extremely high according to my expectations and requirements, I decided afterwards to only do the documentation of this interesting stone processing project in flashs. The following articles will be (and were) changed accordingly without me explicitly going into each individual point of the changes. Content was (and will be) removed by me in places to a large extent.
[addendum end]

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There is no doubt that the ancient Egyptians had the possibilities and skills to turn various stone materials using two-point axis bearing (off) turning processing.
Special exhibits in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo give a small insight into the craftsmanship in this area [see source].

The purpose of this preliminary test is not to show that natural stone can be turned externally (which has long been known and has been practiced for thousands of years): this series of preliminary tests is particularly about narrowing down the most likely methods with which the ancient Egyptians turned stone and about the simplest possible apparatuses that can be derived from this (for which no direct models can be found to this day).

The documentation of the preliminary test, which has now progressed successfully, has been significantly delayed due to another heat wave and extreme weather.
Content will be created as soon as I can.
I will upload more photos as soon as possible.
Mehr dazu später.

QUELLEN / Sources:
Homepage: Spirit&Stone
Seitenbetreiber: unbekannt, kanadische Homepage
http://www.theglobaleducationproject.or ... dfact3.php
Datum und Zeitpunkt des Zugriffs: 15.07.2023, 10.09 MEZ.

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Update on the current stone processing project:

Up until now, the documentation of the project has not been possible relatively simultaneously with the progress of the project. The project is currently in a critical stage, in a positive sense, in terms of handicraft aspects, which demands my full attention.
I will therefore not upload any further documentation on the project until 21.07.23 at the earliest.
From the outset, I avoided filming the crafting processes in this project and focused on photography, because otherwise the overall effort would have been too extreme.

The Sabu disc is neither a component nor a model of a drive unit nor a ship's propeller: it is a poorly crafted aesthetic vessel as a result of high craftsmanship.

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[Addendum from 07/23/2023:]
Since the effort of the preliminary test to document my preparations for the reconstruction of the Sabu disc would be extremely great according to my expectations and requirements, I decided afterwards to only do the documentation of this interesting stone processing project in a flash. The following articles will be (and were) changed accordingly without me explicitly going into each individual point of the changes. Content was (and will be) removed by me in places to a large extent.
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The project is now relatively close to the final work steps, which will still take a certain amount of time due to the filigree work involved. This is also because the workpiece is now becoming more and more sensitive to damage and is therefore in the most critical processing phases of the entire project.

At this point, highlights of the most important processing phases or processing steps of the original Baumberger sandlimestone blank, which have resulted from the preliminary test so far: I do not provide a detailed documentation of the work steps carried out in this stone processing project due to the enormous effort required for this.

DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (1, 2023 / IMG 1 - 14))
SOURCE: https://youtu.be/GIQUnfJ7BOI?si=dOV0_2oZ3I-Dh4OR

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:
[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (1).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 1: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
"Shafting" the blank made of Baumberger sandlimestone on a softwood axis.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (2).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 2: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Production of the blank.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (3).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 3: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
First removal of excess stone material on the roughly hewn blank to create a round shape that is as precise as possible.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (4).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 4: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Making a wooden axle box in the style of a simple "lathe".
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (5).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 5: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
First attempts to work and shape the blank placed in the lathe with tools made of flint and copper.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (6).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 6: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
First successful turning and scraping machining of the blank placed in the lathe with flint and copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (7).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 7: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
First successful turning and scraping work on a relatively precise peripheral surface and work on a relatively precise, cleanly worked edge on the round body of the blank placed in the lathe with flint and copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (8).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 8: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Successful removal of the ridges that had formed on the side surface of the blank, which was created by turning and scratching, and fundamental leveling of the side surface with tools made of flint and copper and using sharp-edged edges of a cast concrete slab.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (9).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 9: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Successful shortening of the axis of the "shafted" blank and correspondingly precise conversion of the "lathe".
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (10).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 10: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Successful lathing, scraping, working on a second side surface and gradual shaping into the "drum body" of the blank that was placed in the "lathe" with tools made of flint and copper.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (11).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 11: Important processing step in the preliminary test: Altogether successful turning and scraping plan leveling of the side surfaces of the blank placed in the "lathe" with tools made of flint and copper.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (12).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 12: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Creation of an outline (here as a side view of a slate shingle) to determine and plan the proportions and dimensions of the planned workpiece as closely as possible (here necessarily interpreted freely in terms of design and material) to the shape and proportions of the Sabu disc.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (13).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 13: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Twisting scratch-scraping transfer of dimensions and proportions in relation to the original; the sabu disc; upset outline for the planned workpiece (marking) on ​​the blank placed in the "lathe" with copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (14).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 14: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
turning and scraping reduction of the blank placed in the "lathe" with flint and copper tools according to the proportions and dimensions planned in the outline.

DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (1, 2023 / IMG 1 - 14))
SOURCE: https://youtu.be/752sTW3xGWM?si=skxBmxxRnRBPevSb

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:
[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (15).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 15: Important processing step in the preliminary test: First successful turning and scraping application of the underside of the planned workpiece to the blank placed in the "lathe" with flint and copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (16).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 16: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Turning, scraping, fine working on the back of the planned workpiece on the blank placed in the "lathe" with tools and aids (measuring tool of copper) made of flint and copper.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (17).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 17: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Turning and scraping application of the rounded peripheral edge to the upper side of the planned workpiece with flint and copper tools on the blank placed in the "lathe".
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (18).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 18: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Turning and scratch-scraping application of the upper side of the planned workpiece with transfer of important dimensions with flint and copper tools on the blank placed in the "lathe".
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (19).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 19: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Turning, scraping transfer of important dimensions and proportions to the upper side of the blank clamped in the "lathe" and first application of the flattening for the development of the ring-segment-shaped decorative elements with perforations on the blank with tools made of flint and copper.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (20).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 20: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Scratch-scraping and pecking of the ring-segment-shaped decorative elements on the blank clamped in the "lathe" with tools made of flint and copper.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (21).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 21: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Scratching and picking of the planned thin-walled, bowl-shaped hollowing out of the workpiece with a floral ornamental look is applied to the blank clamped in the "lathe" with tools made of flint and copper.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (22).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 22: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
The current processing status of the workpiece with scratch-scraping and picking planned thin-walled bowl-shaped hollowing out of the workpiece with floral decorative optics on the blank clamped in the "lathe" with tools made of flint and copper. The first turning of the inner thin-walled cylindrical element with tools made of flint and primarily copper can also be seen here on the workpiece.
At this point in the processing progress, the result is already a complete success. This even if the workpiece were to be seriously damaged or even destroyed during processing or transport: for a first approach to this special arts and crafts topic, all the important questions for me have already been answered. The end result of machining the workpiece is ultimately a question of experience and skill as well as patience as well as the material.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (23).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 23: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Conforming scraping deepening of the rough formwork of blank with copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (24).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 24: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Scratch-scraping re-turning and deepening of the drum-shaped turning in the center of the blank with copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (25).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 25: Important processing step in the preliminary test: Important processing step in the preliminary test: Scratch-scratching, fine first shaping of the outside of one of the three lobes to be worked out on the blank (here in comparison to the Sabu disc as a template due to the selected size and dimensioning of the workpiece with greatly shortened lobes).
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (26).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 26: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
First scratch-scraping undercutting of one of the lobes on the blank with copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (27).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 27: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
First rough donned steep groove; below the extended lobes as a connecting element between the inner side wall and inner "bottom surface" of the blank as a planned thin-walled stone with tools made of copper. The current processing status of the blank made of Baumberger sandlimestone.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (28).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 28: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Equal expansion of the undercutting of all lobes on the workpiece and adjustment of the "floor level" on the blank with copper tools.

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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (3, 2023 / IMG 29 - 42)
SOURCE: https://youtu.be/pIvSfAQLQSw?si=Zcf62VhdQ-vDLjsq

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:

[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (29).jpg]
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 29: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Partial turning of the drum-shaped middle section on the Baumberger sandlimestone blank again in refer to the design of the Sabu disk using copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (30).jpg
Bildrechte: / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 30: Important processing step in the preliminary test:
Current processing status of the blank.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (31).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 31: Making a simple caliper gauge from a section of bent wood and home-made thin and sharpened bamboo sticks: the curved round section was made from the handle of a hardwood walking stick, the round section was sawn to size with a modern hacksaw, the through-holes were made with a cordless screwdriver with modern drill bits: one of the bamboo stick sections was pressed into one of the holes drilled in the round wood (fixed adjustment), another was designed to be movable: this resulted in a reasonably exact "pointing device" with relatively little effort. By marking the movable bamboo stick accordingly, a fixed measuring depth could be set with the dotting device, which was estimated at around 4 to 5 mm (I will measure it later).
Making a simple paint from powdered modern commercially available charcoal tablets, fine powder from the machined blank of Baumberger sandlimestone and tap water.
Making a simple little brush from a section of the self-made bamboo sticks: one end of the bamboo stick was frayed flattened and then cut to size with a pocket knife.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (32).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 32: Measuring determination of the wall thickness of the vessel bottom to be precisely machined on the blank with the self-made puncturing device.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (33).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 33: First scratch-scraping application of puncturing points to determine the wall thickness to be worked on of the vessel bottom on the blank with copper tools: for this purpose, a measuring point to be applied was reworked and measured again with the self-made puncturing device until the desired measuring depth was reached.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (34).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 34: Mark the first dot with the paint you made yourself and a small bamboo brush on the blank.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (35).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 35: Processing status of the blank with many different measuring points set and marked with the self-made paint and small bamboo brush.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (36).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 36: Scraping away the excess sand-lime brick material ("Bossen") with copper tools on the blank: the marked dotted measuring points serve as a guide: by leveling the connection of the measuring points, the wall thickness at the bottom of the vessel to be manufactured is relatively exactly uniform.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (37).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 37: Processing status of the scraping leveling of the bottom of the vessel on the blank with copper tools.
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[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (38).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 38: Scratch-scraping fine finishing of the wreath-like vessel rim on a segment of the blank, worked to the desired wall thickness, with copper tools.
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IMG 39: Scratch-scraping fine reworking of the wreath-like vessel rim on a segment of the blank, worked to the desired wall thickness, with copper tools.
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IMG 40: Scratch-scraping removal of the sandlimestone material ("Bossen") lying between the applied lobe and the drum-shaped middle part between two segments worked to the desired wall thickness for the purpose of connecting the bottom level of the vessel to be produced on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 41: Scratch-scraping application and finishing of the steep groove between the planned bottom of the vessel and the steeply rising wall of the vessel under a lob on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 42: First rough scratch-scraping application and finishing of the steep groove (connecting area between the bottom of the vessel and the part of the rising wall of the vessel) on the blank with copper tools.
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (4, 2023 / IMG 43 - 56)
SOURCE: https://youtu.be/Aa8eOxyaVkI?si=fB9ifFuwZFuYjnbY

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:

[source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (43).jpg]
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IMG 43: Processing status of the blank.
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IMG 44: Conforming scraping deepening of the third shell-shaped dotted segment on the blank with copper tools.

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Intermediate summary of the current stone processing project:
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The preliminary test I am currently carrying out for the one day planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc has been very successful so far. I was able to gain a lot of interesting and important experiences and insights in the various consecutive and distinctive processing steps of the preliminary test as well as the accompanying production and use of the specific tools.
Even if the processed blank made of Baumberger sandlimestone were to be unintentionally destroyed (e.g. due to processing errors or e.g. damage in transit), the results of the preliminary test would be a complete success.
The diverse insights into functioning procedures for the production of the processing result that is now available are an elementary basis for enabling the one day planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc.
The current preliminary test is now entering its most sensitive and therefore also a very meaningful phase, which requires my full concentration, patience, skill, material and tool knowledge:

In the final processing phases of the preliminary test, the following work steps must now be carried out in order to bring the project to a successful conclusion:

- Shaping the vessel as evenly as possible by scraping with coppertools and possibly flinttools to a wall thickness that is as uniform and as thin as possible (in addition, for this final processing step, a correspondingly suitable, as precise as possible measuring tool must be manufactured in the simplest possible way and with means and methods that were also available to the ancient Egyptians.).

- final turning of the drum-shaped middle part of the blank to the thinnest possible wall thickness. This processing step is also critical because the wooden axle inserted into the blank is the one to be finally turned due to the frequent watering of the axle in the past and the resulting swelling of the wood due to the wood pressure could finally destroy the drum-shaped middle part of the blank by the splitting effect.

- as thin as possible turning and scraping shaping of the "segmental arch elements" of the blank

(All three work steps are full of snags in terms of processing technology: the blank can possibly tear off the drum-shaped central part at any time, it can happen very quickly that the wall of the vessel is broken through unintentionally or due to measurement errors; the desired fragility of the surrounding segmental arch elements can, in the case of unfavorable conditions or carelessness or also due to material properties of the worked rock crack or flake off at any time and are thus destroyed.
- Finally, it will certainly be a big challenge to remove the wooden axle that is clamped in the blank without destroying the hopefully finished workpiece.

In total, it should be mentioned that the Baumberger sandlimestone processed in the preliminary test, despite its great softness, is much more difficult to work in the previously used way than it might give the impression: harder vein-like layers are embedded in places in the processed blank of Baumberger sandlimestonek: these lead to a very different reaction of the material to processing in places that are very narrow and can lead to corresponding problems in achieving the final processing goal.




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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (4, 2023 / IMG 43 - 56)
SOURCE: https://youtu.be/Aa8eOxyaVkI?si=fB9ifFuwZFuYjnbY

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:

[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur (Dokumentation (43)]

IMG 43: Processing status of the blank from Baumberger sandlimestone

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IMG 44: Conforming scraping deepening of the third shell-shaped dotted segment on the Baumberger sandlimestone blank with copper tools.
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IMG 45: Fine scratch-scraping elaboration of the wreath-like bowl rim in the third segment of the vessel to be produced on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 46: Complete scraping removal of the "Bossen" between the lobes and the drum-shaped middle part of the bowl-like vessel using copper tools.
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IMG 47: Further scratch-scraping thin-walled finishing of the underside of a lobe on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 48: Fine scraping removal of the "Bossen" between the base of the bowl and the drum-shaped middle part on the blank using copper tools.
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IMG 49: Fine scraping removal of the "Bossen" between the bottom of the vessel and the steeply rising wall element under a lob on the blank.
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IMG 50: Processing status of the blank with a detailed photo of the finely worked-out area under one of the lobes.
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IMG 51: Fine scraping finish on the underside of the lobes and finer application of the area between the underside of the lobes and the steep walled rim of the vessel in the segments on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 52: Fine finishing of the undercuts on the underside of the lobes on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 53: Fine finishing of the fold-like connecting area between the bottom of the vessel to be finished and the drum-shaped middle part on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 54: Fine scraping, rounding off the tops of the lobes on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 55: Widening scratch-scraping of the circular crack made on the underside of the blank for decorative grooving with copper tools: since it would have been very difficult to work the fine, scratch-scraping, turned underside of the blank flat, I decided without further ado to turn the original crack into a to rework decorative groove. The area between the ring-shaped, wreath-like rim of the vase and the near-outside curved underside of the vessel to be produced was also slightly reworked by me after scraping: this was to create a slightly inwardly curved accent in this area, which is intended to emphasize the ring-shaped, wreath-like character of the planned vessel rim.
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IMG 56: Fine reworking of the rough circular decorative groove on the outwardly curved surface of the underside of the blank using copper tools.


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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (4, 2023 / IMG 43 - 56)
SOURCE: https://youtu.be/Aa8eOxyaVkI?si=fB9ifFuwZFuYjnbY

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:

[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (57).jpg]
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IMG 57: Fine, scraping, slight rounding of the connecting edges between the outwardly curved underside and openings in the segments on the edge of the vessel to be produced on the Baumberger sandlimestone blank with copper tools.
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IMG 58: Careful scraping removal of the for stabilization in the breakthroughs left "Bossen" on the blank with copper tools.
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IMG 59: Fine scratch-scraping elaboration of the ornamental form between circular shell edge elements in the area of the openings and the lobes on the blank.
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IMG 60: Careful re-turning of the outer upper edge of the drum-shaped middle part on the blank using copper tools: in order to avoid tearing the drum-shaped inner part from the bowl-like bottom of the vessel during the necessarily more powerful turning, the turning of the drum-shaped middle part was completed with this work step.
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IMG 61: Freehand scraping and scraping away of the "Bossen" still standing on the outside of the drum-shaped central section after the turning process has been completed and to be removed on the blank using copper tools.
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IMG 62: Test rounding of the inner sides of the ring segment-shaped ridges in the area of the openings on the blank with fine scratches using copper tools.
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IMG 63: First test, finely scraping narrowing of an inner side of a circular ring segment-shaped running around in the area of the openings on the blank with tools made of copper.
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IMG 64: The processing status of the blank before removing the softwood axis.
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IMG 65: Carefully saw off the end of the wooden axle protruding from the upper side of the blank with a conventional hacksaw.

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IMG 66: Very careful first, quasi-milling, drilling out of the wood axis from the top of the blank using a conventional cordless screwdriver with a conventional drill bit (here a misused HSS drill bit for metalworking: PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS!: this type of misuse of the drill and drill bit is very dangerous and can lead to serious injuries - e.g.: if the drill bit slips or breaks off. The possibility that the material (fabric) wrapped around the wooden axis inserted in the blank in previous processing steps wound itself around the drill bit and could have influenced the behavior of the drill and the drill bit used in it posed a great risk of injury: neither cordless screwdrivers nor drill bits are intended for this type of woodworking: cordless screwdrivers and modern drill bits were used by me here for reasons of time: the piece of the Given the time, an axle made of soft wood could have been drilled out just as successfully with historical bore tools with drill bits made of copper.However, since this is a preliminary test in which my focus is on working with stone, "the wheel" didn't have to be reinvented here.
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IMG 67: Carefully saw off the end of the wooden axle protruding from the underside of the blank with a conventional metalsaw.
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IMG 68: Very careful further, quasi-milling, drilling out of the wood axis from the top of the blank using a conventional cordless screwdriver with a conventional drill bit (here a misused HSS drill bit for metalworking: PLEASE DO NOT TRY THIS!: this type of misuse of the drill and drill bit is very dangerous and can lead to serious injuries - e.g.: if the drill bit slips or breaks off: neither cordless screwdrivers nor drill bits are intended for this type of woodworking: cordless screwdrivers and modern drill bits were used by me here for reasons of time: the piece of the Given the time, an axle made of soft wood could have been drilled out just as successfully with historical bore tools with drill bits made of copper.However, since this is a preliminary test in which my focus is on working with stone, "the wheel" didn't have to be reinvented here.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (69).jpg]
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IMG 69: Careful removal of larger pieces of wood material drilled out from the piece of softwood axis still stuck in the blank.
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IMG 70: Carefully pushing out the softwood axle piece, which was drilled out in places and still stuck in the blank: by drilling out the central area of the leftover piece of wood from two sides, the tension in the wood could be reduced, which is why it could finally be pushed out of the blank.

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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (6, 2023 / IMG 71 - 84)
[Source: https://youtu.be/GNz8KEjl9Sg?si=Z79fj0tE1nqg9TjE]

content of picture sheet / description of pictures:

[SOURCE: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (71).jpg]
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IMG 71: The blank made of Baumberger sandlimestone with the leftover piece of the softwood wooden axis sawn off on both sides and drilled out of the drum-shaped middle part of the blank: here with partially still existing wrappings with fabric for the previous fixation of the wooden axis in the blank.
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IMG 72:The processing status of the blank before the last fine processing steps and the final extrafine processing.
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IMG 73: The processing status of the workpiece with made special scrapers made of copper (modern industrial rod copper, further information about the copper material is currently unknown. The scrapers were machined with the modern commercially available iron saw and the modern metal file used: the curved edges of the scraper scrapers result from the folded machining of the bar copper (a specially shaped copper part from the field of tinsmithing).
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IMG 74: Scraping, fine elaboration of the areas under the lobes (between the steeply rising side walls and the drum-shaped middle section) of the blank with the scratching scrapers made of copper.
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IMG 83:
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IMG 84:



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After a few final work steps, this really interesting and meaningful preliminary test, which was quite demanding, is now completed (the pictures of the final work steps will follow).
This preliminary test was extremely successful. As I could roughly measure today, the approximate average wall thickness of the Baumberger sandlimestone vessel seems to be around 5 mm.
But there are also very thin spots on the workpiece to be measured: The thinnest wall thickness measured so far was around 2 mm and was on a side wall of one of the lobes in the area of ​​the attachment to a bowl-shaped segment. I'll measure again to be sure.
With the successful completion of this preliminary test, after an eventful year in terms of preliminary tests, I am going into the early autumn break, apart from possible smaller projects that do not concern larger stone processing projects.

If the opportunity arises, the weight and volume are then determined, the surface is analyzed and the workpiece is measured. But I still have to wait for suitable equipment for this, which can take a few months.
The workpiece should then be signed.

In conclusion, I can state that a reconstruction of the Sabu disc - also with regard to the still unknown material to be processed and the even greater filigreeness to be achieved compared to the workpiece produced in the preliminary test - is a great challenge, but it's not impossible to succeed.

I will briefly summarize the knowledge gained in the preliminary test even i will find time.

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IMG 113:Test-based measurement of the wall thicknesses of the shell-like workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone the average wall thickness of the shell bottom measured so far is between 4 and 5 mm; the wall thickness previously measured on the workpiece is about 2 mm. (measured here with a provisionally modified modern caliper (a bamboo caliper made with a pocket knife and a caliper made from a safety pin were used as measuring calipers fixed to the caliper with commercially available adhesive tape.
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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (7, 2023 / IMG 85 - 98)
https://youtu.be/dXb0AQuXnmM?si=VFl1k5Zf4YGHsBNI

[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (85).jpg]
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IMG 91: Scratch-scraping fine post-processing of the contours of the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone with copper tools.
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IMG 92: Fine scratch-scraping thinning of the ring-segment-shaped struts between the bowl-shaped elements of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools.
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IMG 93: Rounding off and fine smoothing of the upper edge of the drum-shaped central part of the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone with copper tools.
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IMG 94: Rounding off and fine smoothing of the lower edge of the drum-shaped middle part (inner edge) of the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone with copper tools.
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IMG 95: Careful scraping and scraping of the excess sandlimestone material (removing the "bossen") on the inside of the ring-segment-shaped struts between the bowl-shaped elements of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools. ringsegmentförmigen Streben zwischen den schalenförmigen Elementen des Werkstücks aus Baumberger Kalksandstein mit Werkzeugen aus Kupfer.
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IMG 96: Fine scraping post-processing of the ring segment-shaped struts between the bowl-shaped elements of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools.
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IMG 97: Finest re-grinding of the ring-segment-shaped struts between the shell-shaped elements of the Baumberger sandlimestone workpiece with a sanding spatula made of bamboo and using fine quartz sand heavily wetted with tap water as an abrasive (here: commercially available bird sand; composition according to information from the distributor: 93% fine quartz sand, 3, 5% Jura calcite, 3.5% shell grit).
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (98).jpg]
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IMG 98: Further fine grinding of the ring-segment-shaped struts between the bowl-shaped elements of the Baumberger sandlimestone workpiece with a sanding spatula made of bamboo and using fine quartz saZusammensetzung laut Angaben des Inverkehrbringers: 93% feiner Quartzsand, 3,5% Juracalcit, 3,5% Muschelgrit).nd heavily wetted with tap water as an abrasive (here: commercially available bird sand; composition according to information from the distributor: 93% fine quartz sand, 3 .5% Jura calcite, 3.5% shell grit).
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (99).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023
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DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
picture sheet (7, 2023 / IMG 99 - 112)
https://youtu.be/2AHFGCtNOFo?si=YQ2APdQOZyQr5_aK

IMG 99: Final touch-up, fine grinding of the ring segment-shaped struts between the shell-shaped elements of the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone with tools made of copper.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (100).jpg
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 100:
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (101).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 101: Finest surface grinding of the Baumberger sandlimestone workpiece by turning the workpiece back and forth in dry, fine quartz sand (here: grinding the underside of the workpiece using commercially available bird sand as an abrasive; composition according to the information provided by the distributor: 93% fine quartz sand, 3.5% Jura calcite , 3.5% shell grit).
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (102).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 102: Finest surface grinding of the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone by turning the workpiece back and forth in dry, fine quartz sand (here: grinding the upper side of the workpiece using commercially available bird sand as an abrasive; composition according to the information provided by the distributor: 93% fine quartz sand, 3.5% Jura calcite , 3.5% shell grit).
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (103).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 103: Final, finest touch-ups on the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone using copper tools.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (104).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 104: Finest surface grinding of the workpiece by turning the workpiece of Baumberger sandlimestone back and forth in heavily wet, fine quartz sand (here: grinding the underside of the workpiece using commercially available bird sand as an abrasive; composition according to the information provided by the distributor: 93% fine quartz sand, 3.5% Jura calcite, 3 .5% shell grit).
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (105).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 105: Finest surface grinding of the workpiece by turning the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone back and forth in heavily wetted fine quartz sand (here: grinding the upper side of the workpiece using commercially available bird sand as an abrasive; composition according to information from the distributor: 93% fine quartz sand, 3.5% Jurassic calcite, 3.5% shell grit).
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (106).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 106: Intermediate processing status of the workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone: the filling of (here) tap water at different levels allows certain conclusions to be drawn about the surface quality of the workpiece based on the analysis of symmetries in the workpiece at the level of the water level.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (107).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 107: Final touch-ups on the contours of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (108).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 108:
Further final touch-ups of the contours of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (109).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 109: Further final touch-ups of the contours of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (110).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 110: Further final touch-ups of the contours of the Baumberger sandlimestone work piece with copper tools.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (111).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 111: The finished and cleaned workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone. The preliminary test is nearly successfully completed with this step.
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[Source: Vorversuch Rekonstruktion Sabuscheibe Zwischeneinschub zur Dokumentation (112).jpg]
Bildrechte / Copyright: (C) me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe, 2023

IMG 112: The finished and cleaned workpiece made of Baumberger sandlimestone. The preliminary test is successfully completed with this step.

oooooooooo


Today I carried out a small preliminary test and documented it by video recording, in which the bronze chisel kindly made available by forum member LaraC  and cast by LaraC himself with a composition of 89% copper and 11% tin was tested by me on various stone materials.
More on that as soon as I have edited the video material created today, but this much in advance: the chisel was tested in a direct comparison on very soft sandlimestone, hard sandstone and on fine-grained and therefore very dense granite.

[Addendum:]
However, I can already tell you this much: as was to be expected (and has already been proven several times), it seems impossible, even in the preliminary test carried out, that hard stone such as granite can be processed with tools made of bronzes, provided that the processing is not grinding but cutting.
[end of addendum]


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ehemals S. 8:

https://youtu.be/CM2nP1cgIgQ

Here is a second version of a short video of the preliminary test carried out for the reconstruction of the Sabu disk, which is planned one day.

[Addendum, 19.08.2023:] The first version of the short video was deleted by me. The link to the second video version has been added here. [End of Addendum]


https://youtu.be/ccsc-w6qE0A
https://youtu.be/CA6ReHnsXOo
https://youtu.be/JTwDx7zV_fs

Here is the first of a small series of short videos (SHORTS) to test the bronze chisel kindly provided by forum member LaraC on stone materials of different hardness (please also note the video descriptions):

[Addendum dated 17.08.23:] Videolink has been edited, there is now a new version of the first video and a republication as a second video on the topic. [End of Addendum]

-To be continued-



https://youtu.be/CM2nP1cgIgQ
(Video length about 1 minute)

https://youtu.be/iZcI88PMf2U
(Video length about 1 minute)

Since the audio of the video for the preliminary test for the reconstruction of the Sabu disc seems to have gone wrong when uploading it (if the farmer can't swim, it's his swimming trunks to blame), I re-edited the video.

[Addendum:]
The second link also contains the first part of a highly compressed photo documentation of the preliminary test on my YouTube channel in the form of a short video). [addendum end]


WICHTIGER HINWEIS:
Bis auf stellenweise Ausnahmen werden die in diesem Beitrag von mir bisher geposteten Bilddateien annähernd vollständig in Form von Bilderbögen bzw. Bildergalerien in Form von Kurzvideos (sog. Shorts) auf meinen Youtubekanal ausgelagert und in den jeweiligen Posts in diesem Thema als Quelle verlinkt. Ein Anschauen solcher Bilddateien ist dann ausschließlich über die Verlinkung zu meinem Youtubekanal möglich.
Mit dieser Vorgehensweise möchte ich einierseits Datenplatz im Forum sparen und andererseits dokumentarische Zusammenhänge meiner Arbeit besser bündeln.
Von den Bilderbögen auf meinem Youtube wird es jeweils eine Verlinkung zurück zu den entsprechenden Beiträgen im Archaeoforum geben. Unter anderem ist dies technisch notwendig und sinnvoll, weil für Beschreibungen von Zusammenhängen in Youtubevideos nicht ausreichend Platz zur Verfügung steht.
Die ausführlichen Textbeschreibungen zu den Bildergalerien bei Youtube sind dann also hier im Archaeoforum nebst ausführlichen Quellennachweisen abrufbar, während die Bilddateien bei Wunsch auf Youtube betrachtet werden können.
Dieser Umstellungsprozess wird eine gewisse Zeit in Anspruch nehmen.
Außerdem werde ich dieses Thema so wwit wie möglich - auch rückwirkend - auf die englische Sprqache als Dokumentationssprache umstellen.
- Beiträge auch in deutscher Sprache sind natürlich weiterhin willkommen -

Von Beiträgen hier im Thema als Antworten bitte ich jedoch bis auf weiteres abzusehen, da ich mir nicht sicher bin inwieweit dies meine Möglichkeiten, Beiträge rückwirkend zu bearbeiten, möglicherweise einschränken könnte.
Falls Rückfragen bestehen sollten, wendet Euch gerne per PN an mich.

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IMPORTANT NOTE:
With a few exceptions, the image files I have posted so far in this post are almost completely outsourced to my YouTube channel in the form of image sheets or image galleries in the form of short videos (so-called SHORTS) and linked as sources in the respective posts in this topic. Viewing such image files is then only possible via the link to my YouTube channel.
With this approach, I want to save data space in the forum on the one hand and better bundle the documentary context of my work on the other.
There will be a link back to the corresponding posts in the Archaeoforum from the picture sheets on my YouTube channel. Among other things, this is technically necessary and useful because there is not enough space for descriptions of connections in YouTube videos.
The detailed text descriptions for the picture galleries on Youtube can then be called up here in the Archaeoforum together with detailed references to sources, while the picture files can be viewed on Youtube if desired.
This conversion process will take some time.
In addition, I will change this topic as far as possible - also retrospectively - to the English language as the documentation language.

However, I would ask you to refrain from posting posts here in the topic as answers for the time being, as I am not sure to what extent this could possibly limit my ability to edit posts retrospectively.
If you have any questions, please contact me via PM.


Overview of previous images on the subject:

DOCUMENTING PICTURE SHEETS AS SOURCES:
(about preliminary Test for the planned reconstruction of the Sabu disc)

picture sheet (1, 2023 / IMG 1 - 14)
https://youtu.be/il5jrFWnT0U?si=C5EJo54v3AwWd9R6

picture sheet (2, 2023 / IMG 15 - 28)
https://youtube.com/shorts/fSTQc_BeH3I? ... S_4CZu0rpZ

picture sheet (3, 2023 / IMG 29 - 42)
https://youtube.com/shorts/Z3VAt2drXVY? ... OC2_oDSbLv

picture sheet (4, 2023 / IMG 43 - 56)
https://youtube.com/shorts/3IHeAxvzxds? ... gtApu7W7q7

picture sheet (5, 2023 / IMG 57 - 70)
https://youtube.com/shorts/fUGDQ1fDWL4? ... evI5edLt-L

picture sheet (6, 2023 / IMG 71 - 84)
https://youtu.be/MMbcHDWUefA?si=NndMYiN-tbSXQqcj

picture sheet (7, 2023 / IMG 85 - 98)
https://youtu.be/Hj-q9wYCT1c?si=vRxlE9wrECVOG5Qa

picture sheet (8, 2023 / IMG 99 - 112)
https://youtu.be/U1lpM3AYGWY?si=yyIiR98hY30BwAGY

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SOURCES:

Youtube:
[YT1:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:08 MEZ
video source: https://youtu.be/il5jrFWnT0U?si=uyjZ8wihonORWYVf
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,1) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 1 - 14)
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:13 MEZ

[YT2:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:08 MEZ
video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/fSTQc_BeH3I? ... pbj11awmev
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,2) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 15 - 28)
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:13 MEZ

[YT3:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:08 MEZ
video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/Z3VAt2drXVY? ... bmHqVtBBji
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,1) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 1 - 14)
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:14 MEZ

[YT4:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:08 MEZ
video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/3IHeAxvzxds? ... 7dyDvq6fzF
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,1) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 1 - 14)
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:14 MEZ

[YT5:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:08 MEZ
video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/fUGDQ1fDWL4? ... PaAkSb7jRp
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,1) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 1 - 14)
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:15 MEZ

[YT6:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 07.09.2023; 11:45 MEZ
video source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNz8KEjl9Sg
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,6) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 71 - 84)
date and time of access: 07.09.2023; 11:46 MEZ

[YT7:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 07.09.2023; 11:45 MEZ
video source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXb0AQuXnmM
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,7) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 85 - 98)
date and time of access: 07.09.2023; 11:51 MEZ

[YT8:]
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 07.09.2023; 11:45 MEZ
video source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AHFGCtNOFo
video title: EXARAE picture sheet (2023,7) preliminary test Sabu disc (IMG 85 - 98)
date and time of access: 07.09.2023; 11:53 MEZ


Here is a little insight (short video) into the possibilities of working hard stone with stone tools in the discussion of alternative theories (in English): the hard stone is worked with pounders of hardstone and flakes of hardstone and Heligoland Flint.
Video length = just under 1 minute:

https://youtu.be/n55U_ZMh3ZM?si=IW4HMWpvcBzYNnj2

SOURCES:

Youtube:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:08 MEZ
video source: https://youtu.be/n55U_ZMh3ZM?si=aIuMxxvbtPJixeWS
video title: ENGL EXARAE : Alternative Theories versus hard stone processing (1)
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 13:17 MEZ


Here is another little insight (short video) into the possibilities of working hard stone (granite) with stone tools in the discussion of alternative theories (in English): the hard stone (finish granite; a really hard granite) is worked with a pounder of hardstone (potentially quarzite).
Video length = just under 1 minute:

https://youtu.be/I6tu74fXBOs?si=E8E5dRYj71YmrL4R

SOURCES:
Youtube:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 21:01 MEZ
video source: https://youtu.be/I6tu74fXBOs?si=E8E5dRYj71YmrL4R
video title: ENGL EXARAE : Alternative Theories versus hard stone processing (2) : processing granite with stone
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 21:01 MEZ


Here is the first video of a planned series of shortvideos (videolenght each max. 1 minute) to report the production of a replica of a segment of the sabu disc (see sources):

- to be continued -

SOURCES:
Youtube:

Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 12:56 MEZ
video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/doqbp_4jMv8? ... 5HGx8CrICl
video title: ENGL EXARAE: EXARAE (2023.1): A segment resembling the Sabu disk made of sandlimestone
date and time of access: 04.09.2023; 12:57 MEZ



Here are the parts of the more comprehensive documentation on the production of a modeled segment section of the Sabu disc:

part 1:
https://youtu.be/wp_WbrRvTFs?si=wvgGQHOkgtB0y-85

[10.09.2023; the exact time of access can no longer be determined]

part 2:
https://youtu.be/YhLcZE2bzS8?si=FXtFSgWrJMONgudB
[13.09.2023; 07:42 MEZ-]

part 3:
https://youtu.be/ieJe4gt1jQE?feature=shared
[16:09.2023; 21:49 MEZ]

Here is part 4:
https://youtu.be/T5tx-HSgYno?feature=shared
[17.09.2023; 20:43 MEZ-]

part 5:
https://youtu.be/yiWPqvtBB5w?feature=shared
[18.09.2023; 21:24 MEZ-]

part 6:
https://youtu.be/MkBrJeYNO2Y?feature=shared
[19.09.2023; 22:25 MEZ-]

part 7:
https://youtu.be/xaeiCMVXzwQ?feature=shared
[21.09.2023; 22:12 MEZ-]

part 8:
https://youtu.be/-Fme5VQIv4g?feature=shared
[24.09.2023; 22:05 MEZ-]

part 9:
https://youtu.be/JeiCFf-8_8E?si=wEiFhwIiaEyyvd8b
[01.10.2023; 22:42 MEZ-]

part 10:
https://youtu.be/M3YxXP5-Zj8?si=ypB_KFh1lb73pW2_
[03.10.2023; 15:18 MEZ-]

part 11:
https://youtu.be/cBB9C7PFEFY?si=WXLA8HI7aS2G9w6M
[03.10.2023; 21:55 MEZ-]

Here is part 12:
https://youtu.be/JdhyW2wsvEU?si=we_UPWBihFRCU7ac
[08.10.2023; 12:38 MEZ-]

part 13:
https://youtu.be/LSqn3pMJzwk?si=Ul0eY0lhhbFt6UhX
[10.10.2023; 10:49 MEZ-]

part 14:
https://youtu.be/KXJOrQ67cNU?si=KRwuD5LTpFKJ0x7q
[10.10.2023; 21:43 MEZ-]

I would like to briefly inform those interested that for me all questions regarding the one day planned reconstruction of the Sabu disk have been answered: nothing stands in the way of the successful reconstruction of the Sabu disk based on ancient Egyptian means and methods that are as original as possible, with the exception of financing (and less luck in the working-process). However, editing and uploading all parts of the video documentation as well as filming the very last workingsteps to complete the sandlimestone test piece documented here still require time.

part 15:
https://youtu.be/tddMpZMs5G8?si=g0TZGYli5ncuslFS
[12.10.2023; 16:55 MEZ-]

part 16:
https://youtu.be/coUYZdJyUcQ?si=okpTpMtzbh5IyUGT
[12.10.2023; 19:47 MEZ-]

part 17:
https://youtu.be/A30RbOpWqsM?si=k7QC5RA68O0USF70
[13.10.2023; 20:53 MEZ-]

part 18:
https://youtu.be/vrX6DqtNFOE?si=mdk5_-qaO0XtkUv_
[14.10.2023; 15:14 MEZ-]

part 19:
https://youtu.be/FAZelePRA6I?si=JCzzUm21MoBC4qCU
[15.10.2023; 20:55 MEZ-]

part 20:
https://youtu.be/gRc7GMYsuGU?si=zFvBpggPlaGUYhJc
[23.10.2023; 18:53 MEZ-]
(new uploaded audio-edited version)

part 21:
https://youtu.be/4Q2B_Ur6xXo?si=5ge8wBeXXHc_KG9R
[23.10.2023; 19:01 MEZ]
(new uploaded audio-edited version)

part 22:
https://youtu.be/Z64_1e9zG_o?si=sl0tmtBxgNjlgtpb
[23.10.2023; 19:14 MEZ-]
(new uploaded audio-edited version)

Here is part 23 of the more comprehensive documentation on the production of a modeled segment section of the Sabu disc:

https://youtu.be/hLD6PvTS6TQ?si=0YWRUfF36ki6vRw5

[23.10.2023;19:25 MEZ]

- to be continued -

(new uploaded audio-edited version)

-subtitles need a little time. Please be patient -

Here is part 24 of the more comprehensive documentation on the production of a modeled segment section of the Sabu disc:

https://youtu.be/Y4SWFjkRGeo?si=UgnUi9CQIkwt2NK7

[23.10.2023;22:38 MEZ]

- to be continued -

-subtitles need a little time. Please be patient -
Zuletzt geändert von Sculpteur am 25.10.2023 10:50, insgesamt 23-mal geändert.
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Here is part 25 of the more comprehensive documentation on the production of a modeled segment section of the Sabu disc on my Youtubechannel Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts:

https://youtu.be/st1sRPNW-2k?si=CJqMMOYjTrvStFnt

[25.10.2023;11:50 MEZ]

- to be continued -

-subtitles need a little time. Please be patient -


Here is part 26 of the more comprehensive documentation on the production of a modeled segment section of the Sabu disc:

https://youtu.be/WZMqIn6f9Ts?si=sAZGwzk5kTvFl6h8

[25.10.2023;11:52 MEZ]

- to be continued -

-subtitles need a little time. Please be patient -
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Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
watching time of video: 09:09 minutes

In the 26th video of the series, I move on to the fine machining of the workpiece and am thus on the verge of one of the most essential steps in the overall process: the severing of the connection between the middle part and the lobe tip on the workpiece.
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 02.11.2023 17:47

WINTER BREAK
Although the current stone processing project is close to completion, I am formally taking a winter break and using the time to edit content that has already been posted.
It is generally not impossible that I will not complete the project in the coming weeks or months, but there are currently. no concrete planning.

- to be continued in time -
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 22.01.2024 13:00

This topic is currently being fundamentally revised by me. Currently are almost completely deleted in the numerous images posted by me as the author and topic creator (that is: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe). The images for topic articles are outsourced. For the illustrations that I plan to make available in other ways in the future, there will be corresponding links in my posts, which I still have to add. All of this restructuring work on my contributions to this topic will take some time. I ask for your understanding and patience. I will announce it here in the topic when the basic editing of my contributions in this topic has been completed.

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The first project after the long and tough winter break. Because the good weather conditions allowed it to happen spontaneously today, here's a little foretaste of a video project that's in the production queue. In the planned longer video I will (if technology doesn't play tricks on me) document the preliminary test of the manufacturing steps for a make-up palette made of slate based on ancient Egyptian models:

https://youtu.be/xm7wX82QO1E?si=eTvjuxQzmpuSJT31

[NACHTRAG 09.04.2024:]
hier ein weiteres Vorschauvideo zum ion Vorbereitung befindlichen Langfilm (Teil 1):

https://youtu.be/EGrcHck10ns?si=jidfe68gql86Rn4a

SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 08.04.2024; 17:07 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 08.04.2024; 17:07 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/xm7wX82QO1E?si=eTvjuxQzmpuSJT31
video title: Schminkpalette aus Schiefer nach altägyptischen Vorbildern
date and time of access: 08.04.2024; 17:08 MEZ

Youtube[2]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 09.04.2024; 16:04 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 09.04.2024; 16:04 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/EGrcHck10ns?si=jidfe68gql86Rn4a
video title: Schminkpalette aus Schiefer nach altägyptischen Vorbildern
date and time of access: 09.04.2024; 16:05 MEZ

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https://youtu.be/b23tJy0wOcI?si=DtcOhLxh0xUUXynO

(Hinweis: Post in deutscher Sprache lasse ich kurzzeitg stehen, diese werden nach einigen Tagen editierend gelöscht und der Post ist dann ausschließlich in englischer Sprache als von mir gewählter Hauptsprache für diesen Themenkomplex zu lesen.)

ENGLISH:
Unfortunately, I am currently unable to keep up with the documentation of the preliminary tests from last year for technical and time reasons. However, here is a short video on the surface analysis of the sand-lime brick VAsen blank, which was produced last year in a complex preliminary test, using methods that I suspect to have been used historically here and there, but for which I have not yet found any concrete evidence. I would therefore be very grateful for any information about sources about the special natural stone processing technology.

DEUTSCH / GERMAN:
Mit der dokumentierenden Aufarbeitung der Vorversuche aus dem letzten Jahr komme ich aus technischen und zeitlichen Gründen aktuell leider nicht hinterher. Hier jedoch schon einmal ein Kurzvideo zur Oberflächenanalyse des im letzten Jahr in einem aufwändigen Vorversuch hergestellten VAsenrohlings aus Kalksandstein nach Methoden, die ich historisch hier und dort vermute, für die ich bisher jedoch keinen konreten Nachweis gefunden habe. Für Hinweise zu Quellen über die spezielle Natursteinbearbeitungstechnik bin ich deshalb serhr dankbar.

SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 11.04.2024; 13.10 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 11.04.2024; 13.10 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/b23tJy0wOcI?si=DtcOhLxh0xUUXynO
video title: EXARAE (2023): Details einer gerollten Kalksandsteinoberfläche
date and time of access: 11.04.2024; 13.12 MEZ

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UPDATE:
Wegen schlechten Wetters verschieben sich die weiterführenden Dreharbeiten zum in Produktiion befindlichen Projekt der Herstellung einer Schminkpalette aus Schiefer nach altägyptischen Vorbildern.
Deshalb hier schon einmal ein paar blitzlichtartige Einblicke in die Bearbeitung des Schiefers, die sich aufgrund von entstandenen unbeabsichtigten und natürlich ungeplanten Filmfehlern entsprechend ergeben haben:

https://youtu.be/xGFrO0wWKtg?si=xBhRB0mDjFae-SLS

SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 12.04.2024; 13.15 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 12.04.2024; 13.16 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/o6YgHFeFSIU? ... m1znXaiz3n
video title (temporär): #filmen #fails #experimentalarchaeology #handwerk #meister #ägypten #video #youtubeshorts #shorts
date and time of access: 12.04.2024; 18.03 MEZ

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Hier das Langvideo zur Herstellung der Schminkpalette aus Naturschiefer (Teil 1) zur Vorbereitung einer Rekonstruktion nach altägyptischen Vorbildern:

https://youtu.be/Pq7I_lr6Was?si=nPjh1yBUL0vMniu6

- Beschreibung folgt in Kürze -

SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 15.04.2024; 21:56 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 15.04.2024; 21:57 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/Pq7I_lr6Was?si=nPjh1yBUL0vMniu6
video title: EXARAE 2024: Vorversuch REKO Schminkpalette aus Naturschiefer nach altägyptischen Vorbildern (1)
date and time of access: 15.04.2024; 21:58 MEZ

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https://youtu.be/Cmvjz9uhJms?si=XHh3hgq0riD8BEN1

Weil es in der experimentalarchäologioschen Auseinandersetzung mit hostorischen Steinbearbeitungastechniken eine wesentliche Grundlage darstellt, sich mit Gesteinasarten udn ihren Eigenschaften auseinander zu setzen und weil man es im experimentalarchäologischen Bereich immer gut gebrauchen kann - auch als Auffrischung - habe ich mit dem Erstellen einer "mirko-Enzyklopädie zum Thema Naturstein begonnen: zunächst einmal sollen auf diese Art und Weise grundlegende Unterschiede zwischen den Gesteinsarten aufgezeigt werden:
die detschsprachigen Beiträge in der Enzyklopädie sind - früher oder später - auch in englischer Sprache geplant.
(bisher ausgestattet mit englischen Untertiteln)

ENGLISH:
Because it is an essential basis in the experimental archaeological study of historical stone processing techniques to deal with types of rock and their properties and because it can always be used well in the experimental archaeological field - also as a refresher - I have started creating a "mirko-encyclopedia for The topic of natural stone began: first of all, the fundamental differences between the types of rock should be shown in this way:
The German-language contributions in the encyclopedia are - sooner or later - also planned in English.
(previously equipped with English subtitles)

QUELLEN:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 22.04.2024; 12:43 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 22.04.2024; 12:44 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/Cmvjz9uhJms?si=SwRrigC4QA-LkcK3
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #steinmetz #stein hartgestein enzyklopädie / plutonit (tiefengestein) / #granit
date and time of access: 22.04.2024; 12:45 MEZ

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Wo ich gerade schon einmal dabei bin habe ich heute damit begonnen, Beiträge in Form von Kurzvideos (Shorts) zu Fachbegriffen aus dem Steinmetz- und Stienbildhauerhandwerk zu erstellen. Der Erste Beitrag ist auf meinem Youtububekanal bereits hochgeladen. Die Gesamtqualität (insbesondere Sound) ist dabei zu entschuldigen. Ich expermientiere noch reichlich mit den mir gegebenen bescheidenen Möglichkeiten. Sobald es mir Equipmenttechnisch möglich ist, strebe ich eine permanente Verbesserung der Beiträge an:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_MtDFhX30k

While I'm at it, today I started creating contributions in the form of short videos on technical terms from the stonemasonry and stone carving trade. The first post has already been uploaded to my YouTube channel (see link above); current Video with English subtitles available soon.
The overall quality (especially sound) is to be excused. I'm still experimenting a lot with the modest options given to me. As soon as it is technically possible for me, I will strive to continually improve the contributions:

QUELLEN:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 23.04.2024; 16:55 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 23.04.2024; 16:56 MEZ
cited video source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_MtDFhX30k
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #glossar #steinmetz #steinbildhauer : steinbearbeitungstechniken : #Randschlag (1)
date and time of access: 23.04.2024; 12:45 MEZ

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https://youtu.be/Pg4FPayVgY4?si=Ji_6Em8RDpO4IjPr

[Videodauer / watching time: 11 sec.]

Im Jahre 2023 habe ich einen aufwändigen Vorversuch zum Thema Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbildern erfolgreich durchgeführt. Zwischenergebnis war dieser durch "Abrollen" in seiner fein ausgearbeiteten `Rundform hergestellte Rohling aus Kalksandstein. Um die Rundform herzustellen wurde der Rohling schwerpunktmäßig in einem aufwändigen Bearbeitungsprozess immer und immer wieder über eine mit feinem Sand gestreute glatte Betonoberfläche gerollt. Vergleichbar war die angewendete Technik dabei mit der handhabung eines von Hand geführten Mahlsteins wie er in manchen Regioonen der Welt auch heute noch Anwendung findet. Durch die abreollende Bearbeitungstechnik ist eine sehr feine und interesante Oberflächenstruktur und eine Hohe Güte der Rundform des Rohlings entstanden.
Zu einer zusammenfassenden Foto-Dokumentation die auf meinem Youtubekanal abrufbar sien soll komme ich aktuell aus Zeitgründen nicht. Dafür bitte ich um Verständis, ich bleibe aber am Ball.

ENGLISH:
In 2023 I successfully carried out a complex preliminary test on the subject of stone processing based on ancient Egyptian models. The interim result was this blank made of sand-lime brick made by "unrolling" in its finely crafted round shape. In order to produce the round shape, the blank was rolled over and over again over a smooth concrete surface sprinkled with fine sand in a complex machining process. The technology used was comparable to the handling of a hand-held grinding stone, as is still used today in some regions of the world. The rolling processing technique creates a very fine and interesting surface structure and a high quality of the round shape of the blank.
Due to time constraints, I am currently unable to produce a comprehensive photo documentation that will be available on my YouTube channel. I ask for your understanding, but I'll stay tuned (view link above).

QUELLEN:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 24.04.2024; 12:33 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 24.04.2024; 12:33 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/Pg4FPayVgY4?si=TEPIjW9g0kwsepNp
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #experimentalarchaeology #gefäß #kalksandstein nachempfunden / altägyptische Vorbilder : Rolltest
date and time of access: 24.04.2024; 12:35 MEZ

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[edit: aus den gestern veröffentlichten 3 Kurzvideos habe ich nun eines provisorisch zusammengeschnitten:]

Kurzvideo / Shortvideo [1] (Videolänge / Watchingtime: 21 sec.):
https://youtu.be/f0HXdU4xCqk?si=eHnwvHHjZ3BxADAJ

An dieser Stelle präsentiere ich die allerersten Ergebnisse der Erprobung eines freundlicherweise zur Verfügung gestellten Bronzemeißels an feinkörnigem Blaubasalt (Aufnahmen aus 2023). Leider verfüge ich bisher ausschließlich über das hier präsentierte fehlerhafte Videomaterial. Eines Tages möchte ich diesen Vorversuch deshalb ausführlicher wiederholen.
Der Vorversuch hat jedoch bereits rasch die Grenzen von Bronze als Werkzeugmaterial in der Anwendung an Hartgestein aufgezeigt: eine gewisse Oberflächenbearbeitugn von Hartgesteinen (je nach Sorte und Güte) mit Bronzemeißeln ist m.E. zwar generell nicht in jedem Fall ausgeschlossen, jedoch dermaßen aufwändig, dass sie äußerst (extremst) uneffektiv wäre. So lassen sich Hartgesteine wie z.B. viele Granite wesentlich effektiver mit Werkzeugen aus z.B. Hartgesteinsknollen spezieller Sorten und z.B.Flint und Hornstein bearbeiten.

QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 25.04.2024; 16:59 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 25.04.2024; 17:00 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/f0HXdU4xCqk?si=eHnwvHHjZ3BxADAJ
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #EXARAE (2023) #experimentalarchaeology : EXARAE (2023) #stone #basalt #bronze #hartgestein : Bronzemeißel an Blaubasalt
date and time of access: 25.04.2024; 17:01 MEZ

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Erprobung (Kurzform) verschiedener Werkzeugmaterialien (Flint, Kupfer, Bronze, Eisen) an Granit und Blaubasalt) / Testing (short form) of various tool materials (flint, copper, bronze, iron) on granite and blue basalt) /

https://youtu.be/uZINvnlhj2Q?si=0QtYh7wQo2zZo9vB

QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 25.04.2024; 20:13 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 25.04.2024; 20:16 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/uZINvnlhj2Q?si=KGPE74k7PKfzCW7k
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #werkzeuge #steinbearbeitung #ägypten : Vergleich kupferne, bronzene und eiserne Werkzeuge
date and time of access: 25.04.2024; 20:18 MEZ

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IMPRESSIONEN / IMPRESSIONS:
In dieser Playlist auf meinem Youtubekanal analysiere ich bewusst einzelne markante Arbeitsabläufe in der Materialbearbeitung nach historischen Vorlagen (im Zusammenhang mit der Auseinandersetzung mit der altägyptischen Steinbearbeitung / EXARAE-Projekte und führe auch jeweils eine Bewegungsanalyse in Zeitlupe durch):
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In this playlist on my YouTube channel, I consciously analyze individual distinctive work processes in material processing based on historical models (in connection with the examination of ancient Egyptian stone processing / EXARAE projects and also carry out a movement analysis in slow motion):

[Links zu den Videos befinden sich jeweils in den entsprechenden Quellennachweisen / Links to the videos can be found in the corresponding references]

QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Seitenbetreiber: Youtube
Hauptseite Youtube: https://www.youtube.com
Datum und Zeitpunkt des Nachweis-Zugriffs (erfolgt nur einmalig um Datenressourcen zu sparen): 26.04.2024; 11:14 MEZ
Kanalbetreiber: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
Hauptseite des Kanalbetreibers (Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
Datum und Zeitpunkt des Nachweis-Zugriffs (erfolgt nur einmalig um Datenressourcen zu sparen): 26.04.2024; 11:15 MEZ
Einzelnachweise (zitierte Videos / Videolinks):

[1]: kaltschmiedende Herstellung eines Dechselblatts aus Kupfer / Cold forging production of an adze blade made of copper.
Videolink: https://youtu.be/3khL25i2tOQ?si=iH3Hktrvpw0Ph-Ij
Videotitel (temporär): IMPRESSIONS [1] : #experimentalarchaeology Dechselblatt aus #kupfer kalt #schmieden (1)
Datum und Zeitpunkt des Nachweis-Zugriffs: 26.04.2024; 11:18 MEZ

[2]: kaltschmiedende Herstellung eines Dechselblatts aus Kupfer / Cold forging production of an adze blade made of copper.
Videolink: https://youtu.be/COUyJG-syUY?si=p7mNWF1m_efbCPtr
Videotitel (temporär): IMPRESSIONS [2] : #experimentalarchaeology Dechselblatt aus #kupfer kalt #schmieden (2)
Datum und Zeitpunkt des Nachweis-Zugriffs: 26.04.2024; 11:39 MEZ

[3]: kaltschmiedende Herstellung eines Dechselblatts aus Kupfer / Cold forging production of an adze blade made of copper.
Videolink: https://youtu.be/stgv-z6Impw?si=5Pnh_ttZl4uUMnzF
Videotitel (temporär): IMPRESSIONS [3] : #experimentalarchaeology Dechselblatt aus #kupfer kalt #schmieden (3)
Datum und Zeitpunkt des Nachweis-Zugriffs: 26.04.2024; 11:51 MEZ

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Auf meinem Youtubekanal habe ich heute eine kleine Serie vomn Kurzvideos erstellt, die quasi zunächst einmal Datensicherung darstellt. Die Videopschnipsel werden noch zu einem Langvide zusammengechnitten, sind jedoch bereits jetzt abrufbar und numeriert. Durch ein Abrufen in Reihenfolge wird der Herstellunsgprozess eines steinernen Lotgewichts (hier aus Sandstein) nach altägyptischen Vorbildern verdeutlicht (Arbeitsprozess Teil 1; noch ohne Durchlochung des Lotgewichts). In den Videos thematisiere ich auch das, was ich persönlich als "indirektes Beklopfen" benenne. Die Übersicht zu den Kurzvideos ist in der Rubrik "SHORTS" meines Kanals zu finden und beginnt mit diesem Kurzvideo. Die Kurzvideos sind mit englischen Untertiteln ausgestattet und werden in der englischsprachigen Beschreibung bei nächster Gelegenheit fertiggestellt :

Today I created a small series of short videos on my YouTube channel, which basically represent data backup. The video snippets are still being edited into a long video, but are already available and numbered. By calling them up in sequence, the process of making a stone plumb weight (here made of sandstone) based on ancient Egyptian models is made clear (work process part 1; still without piercing the plumb weight). In the videos I also discuss what I personally call “indirect tapping”. The overview of the short videos can be found in the “SHORTS” section of my channel and begins with this short video. The short videos are equipped with English subtitles and the English description will be completed at the next opportunity:

https://youtube.com/shorts/Luv_v4u9pUk? ... 7Bxc5SA2T3

QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 27.04.2024; 12:55 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 27.04.2024; 13:02 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtube.com/shorts/Luv_v4u9pUk? ... 6NsDbs1BJg
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #experimentalarchaeology #stone #egypt : natural stone shapes through indirect tapping
date and time of access: 27.04.2024; 13:00 MEZ

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Das Langvideo zum Thema "Lotgewicht aus Sandstein herstellen" (nach altägyptischen Vorbildern) ist nun fgertiggestellt und ab sofort abrufbar unter:
(Untertitel auf Deutsch und Englisch sind in Arbeit)

The long video on the subject of “Making a plumb weight from sandstone” (based on ancient Egyptian models) is now available and is now available at:
(Subtitles in German and English are in progress)

https://youtu.be/CMUHo3kPe7s?si=zSr7KRLD-oMY9sHp

(Quellennachweise folgen baldmöglich)
(Sources will follow soon)

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DIe klassische Art, einen im Englischen sogenannten "Pounder" effektiv zu nutzen um Hartgesteine wie Granite damit zu bearbeiten. Das interessante an diesem kleinen BEispielm der Möglichkeiten, Naturstein manuell mit einfachsten Methoden zu bearbeiten ist, dass der hier verwendete Klopfstein aus Granit ist und damit dem ungefähren Material entspricht, das mit dem Klopfstien bearbeitet wird: die Mohs´sche Härteskala ist in puncot Fragen zur Bmanuellen Bearbeitbarlkeit von Steinmaterialien nicht zielführend, denn "gleiches bearbeitete durchaus gleiches":

https://youtube.com/shorts/KSzqElmfggo? ... jJP9cRcfxJ

The classic way to effectively use a so-called "pounder" to work on hard rocks such as granite. The interesting thing about this small example of the possibilities of processing natural stone manually using the simplest methods is that the tapping stone used here is made of granite and therefore corresponds to the approximate material that is being processed with the tapping stone: the Mohs hardness scale is in point of question B manual processing of stone materials is not effective, because "the same processed the same" (see link abvove):

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Ein Kurzvideo zur Ankündigung eines in Vorbereitung befindlichen weiteren Langvideos zum Thema Schieferbearbeitung gibt bereits weitere wesentliche einblicke in die Möglichkeiten, Schiefer als Material mit einfachsten Mitteln und Methoden filigran zu bearbeiten, wie sie auch den alten Ägyptern zur Verfügung standen. Für mich resultiert aus meinen bisherigen Erfahrungen im Umgang mit Natursteinmaterialien udn Schiefermaterialien, dass die sogenannte Sabuscheibe [gWiki1] keinesfalls als "OUT-OF-PLACE-ARTEFAKT" bezeichnet werden sollte. Vielmehr lässt sich aus den altägyptischen Errungenschaften auch im bildhauerischen und filigran-steinmetztechnischen Bereich schlicht und ergreifend brilliante Handwerkskunst ablesen.

- siehe Link zum zitierten Video im untenstehenden Quellennachweis -

A short video to announce another long video on the subject of slate processing, which is in preparation, provides further essential insights into the possibilities of delicately processing slate as a material using the simplest means and methods, such as those that were also available to the ancient Egyptians. For me, my previous experience in dealing with natural stone materials and slate materials means that the so-called Sabu disk [gWiki1] should under no circumstances be described as an “OUT-OF-PLACE ARTIFACT”. Rather, brilliant craftsmanship can be seen from the ancient Egyptian achievements in the sculptural and filigree stonemasonry areas:

- see link to the cited video in the source reference below -

YOUTUBE:
QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 30.04.2024; 12:46 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 30.04.2024; 12:46 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/wTN45ira73U?si=jE5nIOpw3fOQfO1O
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): neues Video in Vorbereitung / new video in preparation : #schiefer bearbeitungs / slate processing
date and time of access: 30.04.2024; 12:47 MEZ

deutschsprachige Wikipedia:
Bibliografische Angaben für „Sabu-Scheibe“
Seitentitel: Sabu-Scheibe
Herausgeber: Wikipedia – Die freie Enzyklopädie.
Autor(en): Wikipedia-Autoren, siehe Versionsgeschichte
Datum der letzten Bearbeitung: 20. Januar 2024, 08:45 UTC
Versions-ID der Seite: 241352706
Permanentlink: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =241352706
Datum des Abrufs: 30. April 2024, 10:52 UTC
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 02.05.2024 12:11

Eine aktuelle Video-Langfassung als Dokumentation zum kürzlich durchgeführten Vorversuch zur manuellen Schieferdurchlochung mit Mitteln und Methoden wie sie den altenÄgyptern zur Verfügung standen ist in nun auf meinem Youtube-Kanal veröffentlicht:
[Videolänge / Watchingtime: etwas mehr als 30 min.]
- siehe den zitierten Videlink im Quellennachweis
- Video wird aktuell noch zu HD-Qualittä bei Youtube verarbeitet
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A current video long version as documentation of the recently carried out preliminary experiment on manual slate perforation using means and methods that were available to the ancient Egyptians is now published on my YouTube channel:
[Video length / watching time: a little more than 30 min.]
- see the quoted video link in the source
- Video is currently being processed to HD quality on YOUTUBE

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Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 02.05.2024; 13:11 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 02.05.2024; 13:12 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/cMaa1dIWgZ8?si=eqGOSTylhPob5HJs
video title: EXARAE 2024 (temporär): #experimentalarchaeology #schiefer durchlochend gestalten, Vorversuch Langfassung (1), EXARAE 2024
date and time of access: 02.05.2024; 13:14 MEZ

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Ein weiteres Langvideo zum Thema "Lotgewicht aus Sandstein herstellen" (Nachempfindung nach altägyptischen Vorbildern; Teil 2) ist nun fertiggestellt und ab sofort abrufbar unter:

[video 1]
https://youtu.be/Jo9H0bLMaNY?si=eKi-QOANZehNkokQ

Hier auch das Kurzvideo (knapp 1 Minute wahtchingtime) als Anreisser zum Thema:

[video 2]
https://youtu.be/LD_Nje7YteQ?si=f-Iqehm0kvDEmovq

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Another long video on the topic of “Making a plumb weight from sandstone” (based on ancient Egyptian models; Part 2) has now been completed and is now available at [video 1]:

Here is also the short video (almost 1 minute wahtching time) as an introduction to the topic [video 2]:

SOURCES:
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Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 11:56 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 11:57 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/Jo9H0bLMaNY?si=j2BV-Fmu3GZrSIPi
video title: #experimentalarchaeology #stone #egypt EXARAE (2024) : Lotgewicht herstellen aus Sandstein
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 11:57 MEZ

Youtube [2]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 11:59 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 11:59 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/LD_Nje7YteQ?si=Q1oEPbXVZ_xE1SQM
video title: #experimentalarchaeology #egypt : making a plumb weight from #sandstone (2) (new video available)
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 12:01 MEZ
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 07.05.2024 11:23

Neues Video [1] zur Herstellung einer Schminkpalette aus Naturschiefer nach altägyptischen Vorbildern (Vorversuch zur Vorbereitung einer Rekonstruktion) auf meinem Youtubekanal verfügbar:
(Verarbeitung des Videos läuft noch, Untertitel folgen baldmöglich in deutscher und englischer Sprache.); siehe auch der Anreisser [2] (watchingtime 1 min.) zum Thema:
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siehe Link im Quellennachweis (zitierte Quelle / cited video source)
see link in the source (quoted source / cited video source)
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New video [1] on the production of a make-up palette made of natural slate based on ancient Egyptian models (preliminary test to prepare a reconstruction) available on my YouTube channel:
(The video is still being processed, subtitles will follow soon in German and English; see link below); see also the teaser [2](watching time 1 min.) on the topic:

SOURCES:
QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 12:21 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 12:21 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/zMfeya55JNY?si=SyV-UEzuBkwJKPbo
video title: #experimentalarchaeology #stone #egypt EXARAE (2024) : EXARAE 2024: Vorversuch REKO Palette zum #schminken, #schiefer, (Vorbild altes #ägypten) (2)
date and time of access: 07.05.2024; 12:22 MEZ

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Youtube [2]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/
date and time of access: 08.05.2024; 07:22 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 08.05.2024; 07:23 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/rdgRAl_DgP8?si=hgzsvbeBIQY26aSz
video title: neues Video verfügbar / new video available: Schiefer-Schminkpalette (2) / slate-makeup-palette (2)
date and time of access: 08.05.2024; 07:27 MEZ
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 09.05.2024 12:31

EXARAE (2023): Zusammenfassung Vorversuch Herstellung eines Segmentabschnitts als Nachempfindung der Sabuscheibe, cder vollständige Prozess, Teil 1 als Vorbereitung für die eines Tages geplante Rekonstruktion der Sabuscheibe:
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https://youtu.be/BAUlffpITtg?si=0mwk8nfPMNRd7vgk
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EXARAE (2023): Summary of the preliminary test, production of a segment section as a replica of the Sabu disk, cthe complete process, part 1 as preparation for the planned reconstruction of the Sabu disk one day:
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 12.05.2024 18:15

Ich beginne aktuell damit, die Möglichkeiten auszutesten möglichst hochpräzise Objekte aus Naturstein mit einfachsten - historisch stellenweise belegbaren - Mitteln und Methoden herzustellen. Nach Fertigstellung sollen diese Objekte möglichst exakt vermessen werden.
Mit dem WIederholen eines bereits im vergangenen Jahr erfolgten Vorversuchs unter neuen Parametern soll zunächst fachpraktisch erörtert werden, wie exakt sich ein Fidelbohrgewicht auf einer Zweiachslagerung (quasi eine Drehbank mit Antrieb über eine Bogenschnur wie bei einem "Fidelbohrer") abdrehen lässt. Zum Einsatz für das Abdrehen kommen Flint, mittelharte bis harte Gesteine wie z.B. Sandsteine (teilweise Quarzit) bestimmter Sorten und kupferne Werkzeuge.
Weil das in diesem Vorversuch angestrebte Fidelbohrgewicht Ähnlichkeit mit einem Netzsinker bzw. Webgewicht hat, habe ich dies zum Anlass genommen um mir die Frage zu stellen, wieviel Zeit erforderlich ist, einen Netzsinker bzw. ein Webgewicht aus einem weichen, leicht zu bearbeitenden Gestein (hier Baumberger Kalksandstein aus dem nördlichen Münsterland in NRW) grob auszuformen. Die Antwort ist: das vorliegende Ergebnis mit einem Durchmesser von ca. 65 mm Durchmesser bei einer Dicke von ca. 30 mm ließ sich bei entsprechend vorbereitetem Rohmaterial (Kalsandsteinsteinbruch) von ähnlicher Qualität und Größe wie im hier angehängten Bild bequem in ca. einer Stunde herstellen (Bepicken und Durchlochen). Bepickt wurde mit dem größeren Hartgesteins-Bruchstück, Durchlocht wurde mit beiden Hartgesteinsstücken und anschließend mit dem Kupferrundstab, dessen Enden aufgerauht waren (Durchmesser 5 mm, modernes Industriekupfer, ich glaube halbhart, bei 99,9 % CU, Anode).
Geformt und Durchlocht wurde das Stück ausschließlich nach Augenmaß.

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I am currently starting to test the possibilities of producing objects made of natural stone that are as precise as possible using the simplest - historically verified - means and methods. After completion, these objects should be measured as precisely as possible.
By repeating a preliminary test that took place last year under new parameters, the aim is to first discuss in a practical manner how exactly a fiddle drill weight can be turned on a two-axis bearing (like a lathe with a drive via a bow string like a "fiddle drill"). For use in turning There are flint, medium-hard to hard rocks such as sandstones (sometimes quartzite) of certain types and copper tools.
Because the fiddle drill weight aimed at in this preliminary test is similar to a net sinker or weaving weight, I took this as an opportunity to ask myself the question of how much time is required to create a net sinker or weaving weight made of a soft, easy-to-work rock (here Baumberger sand-lime stone from northern Münsterland in North Rhine-Westphalia). The answer is: the present result with a diameter of approx. 65 mm in diameter and a thickness of approx. 30 mm could easily be produced in about an hour using appropriately prepared raw material (kalsandsteinquarry) of similar quality and size as in the picture attached here (Picking and piercing). Pecking was carried out with the larger piece of hard rock, piercing was carried out with both pieces of hard rock and then with the round copper rod, the ends of which were roughened (diameter 5 mm, modern industrial copper, I think semi-hard, with 99.9% CU, anode).
The piece was picked while it was being held in the hand. It was also held in the hand when picking.
With more suitable tools and a more suitable work situation, the production of a piece like the one in the picture from existing material could certainly be optimized to around 1/2 hour.
The piece was shaped and perforated exclusively by eye.
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EXARAE (2024) Fidelbohrgewicht (1)
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Re: Historische Steinbearbeitung nach altägyptischen Vorbild

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 13.05.2024 06:49

Hier noch eine kleine Impression zu dem im vergangenen Jahr aufwändig hergestellten Väschen aus Baumberger Kalksandstein. Sämtliche Bilddateien zum Projekt sind in diesem Themenkomplex von mir gelöscht worden. Zu einem Erstellen der Bilderbögen zum Projekt auf meinem Youtubekanal komme ich aktuell aus Zeitgründen nicht. Das Video zeigt noch einmal detailliert die Oberflächen und die mit einfachsten Mitteln udn Methoden erzeugte Exaktheit des Werkstücks:
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https://youtu.be/P6OQJeqY1ug?si=vt2_wxxxR_dhxNas
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Here's a little impression of the vase made of Baumberger sand-lime brick that was elaborately made last year. I have deleted all image files for the project in this topic. I'm currently unable to create the picture sheets for the project on my YouTube channel due to time constraints. The video shows the surfaces and the precision of the workpiece created using the simplest means and methods in detail see link above):

QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/
date and time of access: 13.05.2024; 07:50 MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 13.05.2024; 07:50 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/P6OQJeqY1ug?si=vt2_wxxxR_dhxNas
video title: #experimentalarchaeology #egyptology #stone Take a look at this precise craftsmanship (stonemasonry)
date and time of access: 13.05.2024; 07:52 MEZ
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Altägyptischer Statuenrohling mit Bearbeitungsspuren

Beitragvon Sculpteur » 16.05.2024 19:25

An diesem altägyptischen Rohling, einer unvollendeten Statue aus Hartgestein alssen sich die BEarbeitungsspuren und resultierenden Oberflächengüten, die m,it sehr großer Wahrscheinlichkeit von Klopfsteinen (o.ä.; respektive Steinhämmern) herrühren, sehr gut mit dem bloßen Auge erkennen:
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On this ancient Egyptian blank, an unfinished statue made of hard rock, the traces of processing and the resulting surface qualities, which are very likely the result of tapping stones (or similar; or stone hammers), can be clearly seen with the naked eye (see cited video source):

QUELLEN / SOURCES:
Youtube [1]:
Youtubechannel: Handwerkskunst_Handicraftarts
channel operator: me. Vinzenz Maria Hoppe
main page of the Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/
date and time of access: 16.05.2024; 20:26MEZ
main page of channel-operator at youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLy6gO ... BkjqTgOAiA
date and time of access: 16.05.2024; 20:27 MEZ
cited video source: https://youtu.be/rIEA7_aucwY?si=ysXkUIiE8OydDXK3
video title (temporary): #ägypten Statue aus Hartgestein mit vermutl. Spuren von Klopfsteinen #experimentalarchäologie #stein
date and time of access: 16.05.2024; 20:28 MEZ
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